It seems that every season at the Corvallis Sports Park there is that one team in the Intermediate and Recreational leagues that is disgustingly better than the rest of the league. Sometimes the entire team is generally out of place in the lower leagues or other times there just one or two players that dominate the entire game all by themselves.
The situation might have been funny when Billy Madison played dodge ball with his first grade classroom or when Carlos played against the Benchwarmers.
This is a true story. Several years ago when I worked at the Corvallis Sports Park I watched a youthful looking man doing very well in the Over-40 League. He said he did not have ID on him so I asked him how old he was. He looked me in the eye and said he was 40. I couldn't believe that someone would lie about such a thing so I allowed him to play. Later, Blake saw his name and pointed out that he had coached him in club and at Crescent Valley High School. The player was just twenty-four. How pathetic is that?
This has been going on for a long time but it seems to have reached a new level lately. The Sports Park recently emailed its members about possible solutions it is considering:
Once a team in the recreational leagues or the intermediate leagues is ahead by four goals or more they must pull a player from the field until the goal differential is less than four goals. If it is a coed league it must be a male player.
I don't really like this one. Removing players from the field means less people are participating. Instead I would like to see an extra player for the loosing team. People paying money to play should be allowed to play more rather than less.
In all recreational leagues and intermediate leagues a male player can only score 3 goals per game. Any goals scored after the third one will be called back.
This isn't a bad idea, but it does not really deter Kobe Bryant wannabes from continuing to score. It just gets called back. The opposing team still feels dominated.
At the end of the season referees and CSP management will vote on one team from each league to receive the sportsmanship award in all of the recreational and intermediate divisions. They will be rewarded with team gift certificates and T-Shirts.
When you are blasting goals past grampa like its the last game you will ever play, you probably aren't worrying too much about the sportsmanship award unless saying "nice try old man" earns you points. The Sports Park hasnt implemented any changes yet and I don't know if they will.
Originally the CSP leagues were called Premier, Division 1, Division 2, Division 3 and so on. In an effort to describe the level of play at each league the Sports Park adopted the Premier, Competitive, Intermediate and Recreational naming convention. The idea behind the change was good but I don't think it was descriptive enough. One could argue that they are an intermediate compared to Pele or that there is nothing implied about the quality of play for recreational.
I have a solution. The Intermediate and Recreational league names are too confusing. They should be renamed to the Crap-Fat-Old and Extremely-Crap-Fat-Old leagues respectively. If you do not describe yourself as crap, fat or old then you do not belong in these leagues. OK, so maybe these names are not quite proper. But I think something needs to be done to make good players ashamed for competing against people that do not take pride in their soccer playing skill. If you are under thirty, have played club or high school soccer and you are playing in an Intermediate or Recreational league you need to evaluate why you are there.
Going undefeated is NOT an achievement unless you are playing in the highest league available to you. What challenge have you overcome? How are you improving? The American Heritage Dictionary describes a bully as a person who is cruel or overbearing to smaller or weaker people. Doesn't dominating a lower tier league seem to qualify? Here is a list of teams have recently achieved the perfect season in a lower tier league. Wee, that must be as fun as mugging an old lady.Congratulations to the Corvallis Sports Bullies:
- Hypnotic (8-0)
Goals Scored: 73, Goals Against: 45
Coed Division
Booyah (8-0)
Goals Scored: 50, Goals Against: 20
Coed Recreational
Wondercups (8-0)
Goals Scored: 86, Goals Against: 24, Average Margin: 8 goals!
Mens Intermediate
- FC Willamette ANGSTGEGNER (5-0)
Goals Scored: 44, Goals Against: 16
Mens Intermediate
Goonie Birds (4-0)
Goals Scored: 17, Goals Against: 2 (WOW!)
Coed Recreational
Phat Penguins (4-0)
Goals Scored: 23, Goals Against: 11
Coed Recreational
These teams need to strongly considder playing against quality players like themselves in the upper leagues. The wins may not come as regularly but every goal and victory is much more rewarding.
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Totally agree. Especially about the taking players off thing. That means we're getting less for our money. Games could turn into a stupid dance around goal 4 where the winning team plays no D for a few minutes.
Another possible solution:
Promotion/demotion. If you win your league, you have to promote. If you are undefeated, you have to promote. Similarly, if you didn't win a game or you finished dead last, you get to move down.
Just a thought and it might actually get some teams in the upper divisions instead of everyone being so scared. Plus, bullies would remain in a league only one season in general.
Interesting point of view. I don't disagree with it in principle but as one of the managers of an aforementioned team, perhaps some context might be in order.
First of all, as a team that had played about six months in intermediate, finished usually in the top 3, we made the decision to move up to competitive and found it more of a challenge, as you rightly say it should be.
The season you point our team out as "bullies" was a summer, off season and as we generally field a team predominantly made up of college (grad) students, many were away on vacation, doing internships etc. When I signed up the team to intermediate, although a few players wanted it for the reasons you give, as manager, I signed up at that level because I only had six confirmed players and two of them are over 35.
In the event, a few changed their plans and signed up and we were fine for numbers. I'm not sure what we are supposed to do then - withdraw from the league? Ask for a transfer after deadlines and schedules are created?
Admittedly, one game was "bullying" through irritation at the other team, showing up with just enough to not have to forfeit and then refusing several offers of help, such as lending players to make it a game. With that attitude, I let the reins off and let the team have an impromptu shooting practice.
Anyway, we learned our lesson and will not stray back below competitive again.
As pointed out already, the way to fix all of this is to make the seasons more meaningful, a little longer and have compulsory promotion/relegation. Certainly teams can also make the mistake of putting themselves in too high a league.
Thank you for reading and for commenting.
If you are who i think you are (wink), I applaud your decision to move leagues. I hope that your team has found the change rewarding.
The solutions suggested by yourself and my pal Jason are good ones. I have spoken at length with Blake about them.
More meaningful leagues - well the competitive and premier leagues do get a special championship game where the other leagues do not. An extra game is pretty valuable in my oppinion.
Longer seasons - The length and dates of the season are fundemental to the Park's business plan. There are some facilties that use a 10 week season. But they are rare. The 8 week season is basically a fixture for profitability. From a players view, signing up for an 18 week season can be a scary commitement.
Compulsory promotion/relegation - as a paying customer of the Park or any business I would take offense to being forced to do anything. Compulsory anything is not a good service strategy. If your team is promoted to a new league, the day you play games might change to conflict with your bowling night. Or you may play on two teams in two different leagues. If those two teams are forced to play in the same league you will only be able to play on one team (not good for business).
Do you really want Big Brother telling you what to do? The people in the best position to fix all of this are the teams and managers themselves. We should not make the Park resposnible for our decisions. If a team signs up for the wrong league it is nobodies fault but theirs.
Thanks for posting my comment.
I guess some of us forget on occasion that the Sports Park is a business and mold the leagues to their business model and not to the conventional soccer leagues seen throughout the world.
I agree that the championship game is a good addition, although something we have never actually made it into yet. Certainly a good target to aim for in the higher leagues.
Eight games however, in a league with a lot more teams than that can mean some teams have an easy run-in to the championship and others do not - it's all very hit-and-miss from the teams' point of view as they could play some teams twice or just not play some teams at all. A truly competitive league would not run like that outside of the sports park business model so I guess we all put up with it to give the sports park a break - still doesn't sit quite right though.
Your Big Brother point is good except that now it seems you've changed to the other side and suggest it is ok for teams to play beneath their level, if it is going to conflict with the rest of their social lives. I'm not sure I care so much about that.
At the end of the day, where else can we play locally in similar facilities? I'm grateful for what we have and realize that other facilities around the country could charge a lot more for the added features they provide.
F.C. Wondercups
Go Wondercups! You guys moved up a league and post awsome game clips to YouTube!
By no means am I letting sand-bagging teams off the hook, trust me. I will continue point them out for what they are as much as I can.
There have been and continue to be players in the intermediate and rec leagues that make me sick. I have no problem bad mouthing them while they continue.
I just think as a policy it is not possible to automically promote or demote teams. Teams should move willingly becaue it is the right thing to do.
True, promotion/relegation wouldn't really work. Maybe it would just take gentle prodding from other managers or someone at the sports park. Behind the scenes. If the impact on any one team is too great, then they stay. But maybe they just need to lose the one stud player that makes the team so good. Its all about communication.
The new rules will be interesting. Lets see if they are enforced.
Your article brings up a really good point! The team i'm going play on is going to play in the intermediate league, and from you article I think we would be one of the bullies you talked about. The thing is that one of our players is already playing competitive, and he can't play both. Is intermidiate really as bad as your article made it sound? because if it is we should play competitive.
Thanks for reading Banner. It's not that the intermediate league is "bad". Its just a lower level of play. If you considder yourself a good player you should at least be playing the competitive level. If you are a good player and enjoy challenging soccer you should be playing premier.
The problem is that because so many teams and players have been afraid to challenege themselves, there hasn't been a premier league in some time. Its too bad.
The better young players in Corvallis like Sean Babcock, Eric Cronkrite, Justin Woodward, Gabe Babcock and Tim Muravez all played premier while in high school. They all ended up at colleges.
Banner, if you are a skilled young player I encourage you to play at the highest level you can every chance you get.
Plus beating "intermediate" players that are not as skilled or athletic as you is not fun for you or them.
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