Monday, November 17, 2008

I consider the Corvallis Sports Park to be a city treasure. My wife and I both count playing indoor soccer as a favorite activity and it is not uncommon for us to spend two or three nights a week there playing soccer or just meeting with friends. I've enjoyed CSP for the past decade and I look forward to enjoying many more years there with my family. The Corvallis Sports Park is a significant and enriching part of my life.

The story I am going to share here is about my recent experience with the park. I wish I could say this experience has been positive. It has not. I am not sharing this story because I want to burn the business down or point any fingers. I have used the names of people only that are key to the story and have well known positions of authority.

I want the Sports Park to thrive so that my little girls, my wife, my friends and I can continue to enjoy the business in the future. I am sharing this story to facilitate a change at CSP for the better. What happened to my team and how we were treated by the Corvallis Sports Park was not acceptable. I hope that this story helps CSP reevaluate their business policies and refocus on providing an exceptional level of service to its patrons.

I have tried to keep it brief. I think this is very important and if you are a Corvallis Sports Park customer I hope that you read and consider my story.

On Monday, November 10th my friend and team manager Elias went to the Sports Park to register his team called El Sol de Mexico. Elias was reluctant to to play the park's top team like Bruno and Wrecked-Em so his intention was to register the team for the second highest men's division. The Corvallis Sports Park staff communicated to Elias that there would not be a Premier division. This would make the Upper Intermediate division the second highest men's division available. So Elias paid his $150 deposit and signed the registration form for Men's Upper Intermediate.

Later that week Elias received an email confirmation from CSP indicating that he was signed up for the Men's Competitive division. Elias replied by email stating that his team should be signed up for Upper Intermediate.

On Friday, November 14th while looking over the teams for next season on the CSP website I saw that there was a Premier division. This meant that El Sol de Mexico was registered for the third highest division at the Corvallis Sports Park. It should be noted that the El Sol de Mexico players are far too skilled and competitive for the Upper Intermediate league. It is my opinion that the team is a Premier division quality team. I shared this with Elias and he went to CSP after work that same day to try to move the team into the Competitive division.

Elias was told by the CSP staff that a reschedule was not possible. I do not know if any attempt was made by CSP to understand why Elias was seeking a division move. That night Elias requested that he be contacted by the CSP managers, Blake or Megan regarding the situation.

On Saturday Megan contacted Elias and pointed out to him that his registration form and email indicated that he wanted to be in the Upper Intermediate division. And that his signature was on the form. The Corvallis Sports Park would not take responsibility for providing incorrect information that mislead Elias' decision.

I spoke with Elias on Sunday and he felt that the situation was his fault and that there was nothing that could be done. I asked Elias to let me try to help. I left a message with the Sports Park that I urgently needed to be contacted my management.

That afternoon I spoke with Blake by phone. He opened the conversation by pointing out that CSP would not reschedule and that they would refund our team deposit. This spoke volumes to me about my value as a customer. I asked if the Sports Park would take responsibility for providing Elias with misleading information. In brief, Blake stated that it was not CSP's fault that Elias did not know there would be a Premier division. Essentially denying that Elias had even been misinformed. Either Elias was misinformed, dillusional or lying.

Blake stated that Elias should have known that there would be a Premier division because he has been playing at CSP for years. I could see how Elias was made to feel that it was his fault. I asked Blake if he would feel foolish if the staff person who told Elias there would not be a Premier division told him so personally. The conversation quickly but civilly ended.

Even as I write this I wonder if a little flag started waving somewhere. Blake called Elias. At first he remained adamant about denying any responsibility. Then Elias told him who had inadvertently misled him in the first place. It was his own niece. Blake changed his tune as I imagine he considered the difficulty of maintaining plausible deniability. He told Elias that he would see what he could do and for a time Elias and I were both hopeful.

This afternoon we received word that despite being a full week away the start of next season, CSP would not reschedule. Instead they would receive a $150 team discount and remain in the Men's Upper Intermediate division.

Consider if you ordered a decaf latte and received a caffeinated latte. Would you expect a discount on your decaf or would you expect the correct latte to be made for you? Perhaps this analogy is not quite precise. What if you were told that decaf organic coffee was not available by your barista so you order a caffeinated organic blend. When your friend sits next to you and tells you that she is drinking a wonderful decaf organic coffee what would you expect of your barista?

It could be argued that it only takes a few minuted to make new latte so the resolution is low cost. But a latte might cost two hundred times less than a soccer team at CSP. At $650 a team for eight weeks I think it is very reasonable to expect a higher level of attention. Jeff Merten, a health benefits specialist and co-founder of the Corvallis Sports Park stated that if one of his agents mistakenly lead a client to enroll in an undesired policy that he would make sure the client understood the correct information and be allowed to enroll in the desired policy.

I wonder how the El Sol de Mexico restaurant would handle this kind of situation? Actually I know how. They brought my wife a new plate at no charge and apologized for the error even though my wife had told the waiter that she was happy with the order they brought to her. El Sol won us over that day.

I believe that CSP should do nothing less than take responsibility for the mistake and reschedule El Sol de Mexico into the Competitive division.

CSP has provided me with good service in the past. I am appreciative that the business has reinvested in new field turf and lights that enhance my playing experience. The pub has added new items to its menu to provide more attractive choices for me and other customers. I think our soccer community deserves exceptional service all of the time.

Am I expecting too much? What do you think? Do you have a story of your own?

18 comments

Dennis said... @ 11/18/2008 9:21 AM

I don't have a story that bad, but I stopped playing at the CSP years ago because of the same staff attitude that's displayed in your story. Interestingly, I perceived it as a clique thing - I didn't spend that much time there, so I was on the outside. People who knew the staff on a first-name basis didn't ever seem to have a problem.

I also stopped playing because of the cost (and this was when it was $550/team). I don't know the finances behind the CSP, but I do know I can't justify paying that.

Loyan said... @ 11/18/2008 11:14 AM

On Monday at 1:00 PM CSP announced that it had rescheduled the Men's Recreational division to address missed scheduling request.

A am glad the Park was able to address that issue for the Recreational division. But I am left wondering why the El Sol de Mexico does not warrant the same treatment?

Do diferent customers recieve different service?

Jeff Merten said... @ 11/18/2008 11:46 AM

Response to Comment 2:

Yes, different customers receive different service - in every business in the whole wide world.

Customer 'A' spends a couple hundred per month in my business, wants the best deal, but is understanding that as long as I:

a) meet the contract
b) do my best to make sure he is happy
c) go out of my way to make things right if there is a mistake

he is cool, polite, etc. When that guy walks in my place, I'm genuinely glad to see him. It shows.

Customer 'B' thinks that his money is a 'license' to treat me and/or my employees badly if he feels like it is treated differently. Basic human stuff.

Some businesses go overboard ahd try to 'win' these customers over. Lots of kow-towing, lots of time, lots of extra service. Some businesses won't tolerate it and have the attitude that that person's money isn't welcome anymore. CSP seems to take the former tact - I've seen lots of conversations by Blake with people that have gotten red cards for really crappy behavior, and those people end up staying and playing. With a new attitude toward other competitors and customers. Win-win.

The above insinuation that CSP is trying to help one customer's team but not another's is crap. You don't know the whole story, and you don't know the 'ease' or 'relative disruption' of the one re-schedule vs. the other.

Response to Comment 1:

Any business will recognize the names of people that spend a lot of time there versus the people who, like you, "...didn't spend that much time there...". Normal.

$550 = $55/8 games for a 10-man team. The basic finances of the Sports Park are that it operated at a loss for years, but the local ownership was willing to keep it funded and running as a service to the soccer community. Without Little Kickers and other youth programs, it wouldn't exist today. Bottom line? Six bucks a game is cheaper than you can buy the building, electricity, refs, and turf. If you don't like it six bucks a game, that is definitely your perogative. I love it six bucks a game.

Blake said... @ 11/18/2008 11:50 AM

A person could twist this post and call it self serving, but self serving is when you leave facts out and publish a story that is useful to you.

These are the facts:
A. Loyan left out some key facts in his blog.
B. There was miscommunication between CSP and El Sol. Both parties take responsibility for the miss communication.
C. CSP and the El Sol team have tried to find a common solution that can work for both groups.
D. El Sol is a business partner with the Corvallis Sports Park and we have been mutually supportive of one another for over five years.
E. CSP gave El Sol three different choices; 1. refund all money for season, 2. $150 discount for the team and they stay in Mens Upper Intermediate, 3. full refund of money and apply $150 discount for Mens Competitve next season.
F. El Sol Manager Elias and team Sponsor El Sol Bernardo choose to stay in league with a discount.
G. Elias and Bernardo are very happy with arrangement and with the Corvallis Sports Park. They are the people who we have been dealing with on this issue.
H. The way the schedule was laid out it would have required us to change four different leagues, with many scheduling requests and would have effect hundreds of players and around 60 teams schedules.
I. Loyan I like the site, it is the first time I have been on. :)

Blake Leamy
CSP

Jeff Merten said... @ 11/18/2008 11:54 AM

In fact, this leads me to consider that you can buy an hour of well-managed, well-supported, well-refereed soccer games for the same amount of money that you spend on a giant latte at Starbucks.

Freakin' Screaming Deal if you ask me. Starbucks should be one massively profitable business. Oh yeah, they are...

Loyan said... @ 11/18/2008 12:45 PM

Blake I am very glad that you have chosen to become engaged here.

I am hoping that you find my post useful to you and your business. I am a long time customer of CSP and I am sharing how I feel with you and allowing others to do the same. Customer silence is not the same as customer satisfaction.

This post is also absolutely self serving. I want the best experience I possible for myself at CSP and I don't feel badly for that at all. I hope that because my post is self serving you do not assume it is not valid.

I am glad that CSP is taking responsibility for the miscommunication. This was not the impression that you left me with when we spoke directly Blake. Perhaps our conversation could have been more productive with that common ground to start from.

You are correct that Elias chose to remain in the Upper Intermediate league. Based on the options you have listed he did not feel like he had much choice.

Elias is NOT very happy with the arrangement. He feels guilty when he should not. He does not want to be a "trouble maker". You made him feel that way by telling him he should have known better. That was not right. Elias is also concerned about backlash with his niece who is employed at CSP. I am very close with Elias and I believe that I have a more honest understanding of how he really feels.

The fact that El Sol and Bernardo is a business partner with CSP makes me think that CSP would be more willing to go the extra mile. I will not comment on Bernardo's opinion of this situation out of respect for his business relationship with CSP. I think we both know how this situation would be dealt with at his restaurant though.

I encourage you sand CSP to re-evaluate how the schedule is laid out so that you can provide your customers with a responsive and agile service rather than one that is limited and rigid.

To be clear, I do not feel that that CSP has appropriately corrected this situation. Perhaps others agree. Maybe not. I am hoping that we can provide you with valuable customer feedback.

joe sanders said... @ 11/18/2008 4:16 PM

Very intriguing conversation. I agree with Jeff about the two different types of people, but I also feel that sometimes this idea is taken advantage of by some employees who just don't feel like taking responsibility for certain aspects of there jobs which they'd rather not deal with, or maybe they just don't possess the people skills or knowledge to handle the situation. Sometimes it is easier to label people as "assholes", and being "mean" , than to take the time and effort to deal with an upet costumer, when the customer is really upset about the issue, or how it's being handled, but not at the employee personally. Loyan, you can be a difficult, disrespectul, beligerent, foul mouthed son of a b$#%@, but I feel your pain brotha. Did I ever tell you you have nice legs? Business and personal issues should be seperated like church and state.

Jeff Merten said... @ 11/18/2008 8:19 PM

Joe Sanders rocks. You are absolutely right - my situation is "best of" and "worst of", and nothing in between. Reality is that there are a whole bunch of other options, and a whole bunch of other factors - like Joe said.

That being said, it isn't reality to expect business and personal issues to be kept 100% seperate - people will be people. In fact, it is our personalities and our ability to, as Joe points out, deal with people, that will encourage customers to go to one business versus another.

Loyan has nice legs.

Loyan said... @ 11/19/2008 2:51 PM

At 1:35 pm today the Coed Competitive and Coed Upper Intermediate leagues were rescheduled. The 2nd and 3rd "impossible" reschedules to be accomplished thus far.

I admit that I am wondering if my involvement has worsened the situation for El Sol.

Anonymous said... @ 11/20/2008 3:19 PM

I'm a former customer of CSP who has now has lived in Southern California for the past 7 years and knows most of the posters well enough. I have to admit to finding a lot of the posts and responses regarding the CSP amusing. Thinking back to the days when I was a regular... the same parties are having, substantially, the same issues today as they were then.

Anonymous said... @ 11/22/2008 12:06 PM

I love playing at CSP, but many times that there has been an issue I have been made to feel like if I make problems I won't be allowed to play there no more. (having a complaint is 'problems' to them it seems) A little attention and helpfulness never hurts.

Anonymous said... @ 2/05/2009 11:09 PM

Heh, heh, heh. After losing to El Sol a while ago by just a point or two, the line "It should be noted that the El Sol de Mexico players are far too skilled and competitive for the Upper Intermediate league" makes me feel much better! :)

Anonymous said... @ 2/05/2009 11:26 PM

"D. El Sol is a business partner with the Corvallis Sports Park and we have been mutually supportive of one another for over five years."

Sheesh, I forgot about this. Man, this is how they treat their sponsors???

Dennis said... @ 2/06/2009 12:25 PM

I think a few of the commenters missed my point. I always had trouble getting information on deadlines, costs, finding my card, getting any questions answered, etc, and I could see people who knew the staff get answers to questions that the staff couldn't be bothered to answer for me. I had a similar experience as Anon @ 11/22/2008 (though I was never complaining, just asking questions - I love indoor soccer and love the fact that it exists in Corvallis, so I would much rather the CSP exist than not): That any time I needed something from the staff, I was made to feel like I was bothering them and that they didn't care if I paid and played or not.

As for the cost, I'm not questioning whether or not the CSP makes money so much as noting that at the time, I couldn't afford to pay $6-9 for 20-30 minutes of playing time, plus a CSP membership card plus shoes and other equipment.

Loyan said... @ 2/06/2009 8:11 PM

Dennis, many good points were missed throughout this discussion. I include myself among those at fault. Thank you for sharing your perspective here. I think thoughtful feedback like yours helps to improve things.

Anonymous said... @ 2/09/2009 10:17 AM

I've been disappointed with CSP in the past year. The relationship seems to be very one sided and I'm happier to limit my interactions with CSP now.

I enjoy the ability to play indoor soccer in Corvallis and will happily pay to play on someone else's team but won't be managing a team there again.

Anonymous said... @ 3/01/2009 3:33 PM

I, too, have been disappointed more in the past year. After the current season, I will likely cease all participation at CSP. I wish there were another facility that I could patronize because I hate that CSP gets away with poor quality because it's the only indoor show in town. My major complaint is with the referees. They are not involved; some are hardly even aware a game is on and spend more time talking to the audience in the balcony than watching the game. How many times have teams reacted to a play to have the referee say he didn't see it? I can understand missing a call here and there, but maybe the fact that the official never moved five feet from the penalty box had something to do with it. At times their lack of involvement leads to dangerous play and for tensions to rise to a critical point. When calls aren't made, players start to take matters into their own hands, and that leads to contacts that can cause injury.

Loyan said... @ 3/03/2009 11:42 PM

Check out http://blog.corvallissoccerblog.com/2006/06/refereeing-as-service-to-customers.html.

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